Episodes

Thursday Jun 24, 2021
Thursday Jun 24, 2021
Bruce talks with Dr. Kendra Stewart from the College of Charleston. Dr. Stewart discusses her experience of finding public administration and succeeding in graduate school and on the tenure track. She also discusses the role that communication plays in effective public administration, the importance of the politics-administration dichotomy, and the future of public administration.
References from the Episode:
- Mordecai Lee, Grant Neeley, and Kendra Stewart (2021). The Practice of Government Public Relations.
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Friday Apr 10, 2020
Will Hatcher and Bruce McDonald on "The Public Affairs Faculty Manual"
Friday Apr 10, 2020
Friday Apr 10, 2020
On this episode,join our special guest host Staci Zavattaro from the University of Central Florida as she interviews Will and Bruce about their new book, The Public Affairs Faculty Manual.
References from the Episode:
- William Hatcher, Wesley L. Meares, and Victoria Gordeon. (2017). The Capacity and Constraints of Small MPA Programs: A Survey of Program Directors.
- Bruce D. McDonald and William Hatcher. (2020). The Public Affairs Faculty Manual: A Guide to the Effective Management of Public Affairs Programs.
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Bruce McDonald: @academicpiracy
William Hatcher: @ProfHat
Josie Schafer: @SchaferJosie
Staci Zavattaro: @StaciwithaZ

Thursday Mar 12, 2020
Alasdair Roberts on Intellectual History, Temporal Horizons, and Writing Books
Thursday Mar 12, 2020
Thursday Mar 12, 2020
Join Josie and Bruce for a conversation with Dr. Alasdair Roberts from the University of Massachusetts Amherst. Dr. Roberts discusses the importance of taking a historical perspective for the field of public administration and how we can do a better job incorporating that perspective into our research. He also discusses the value of studying law for public administrators, his process to writing books, and the challenges international scholars face when publishing in academic journals.
References from the Episode:
- Alasdair Roberts. (2020). Strategies for Governing: Reinventing Public Administration for a Dangerous Century.
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Bruce McDonald: @academicpiracy
William Hatcher: @ProfHat
Josie Schafer: @SchaferJosie

Thursday Dec 05, 2019
Irene Rubin on Being a Woman in Academia, Managing a Research Agenda, and Finding PA
Thursday Dec 05, 2019
Thursday Dec 05, 2019
On this episode, join Josie for an interview with Dr. Irene Rubin from Northern Illinois University. Dr. Rubin talks about her experience as a woman in academia and the pressure to exceed others that was placed upon her, as well as her approach to working on a research agenda and finding meaningful questions and research. She also discusses her journey to finding public administration as a discipline and her experience as the only female editor for Public Administration Review.
References from the Episode:
- Herbert J. Rubin and Irene S. Rubin. (2011). Qualitative Interviewing: The Art of Hearing Data.
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Bruce McDonald: @academicpiracy
William Hatcher: @ProfHat
Josie Schafer: @SchaferJosie

Thursday Oct 17, 2019
Jamie Levine Daniel on Talking About Antisemitism
Thursday Oct 17, 2019
Thursday Oct 17, 2019
On this episode, join Bruce and Josie for a live interview from the Midwest Public Affairs Conference with Dr. Jamie Levin Daniel from Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis. Dr. Daniel talks about the importance of incorporating discussions about religion, faith, and tolerance into the MPA classroom and the road map that she and Drs. Fyall and Benenson provide in their example of discussing antisemitism that was recently published in the Journal of Public Affairs Education.
References from the Show:
- Jamie Levine Daniel, Rachel Fyall, & Jodi Benenson. (2019). Talking About Antisemitism in MPA Classrooms and beyond.
- Jamie Levine Daniel. (2018). Consistently Inconsistent.
- Hannah Lebovits. (2019). Academic Parenting Blog Series.
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Bruce McDonald: @academicpiracy
William Hatcher: @ProfHat
Josie Schafer: @SchaferJosie

Thursday Aug 15, 2019
Carolyn Bourdeaux on Teaching, Public Engagement, and Running for Congress
Thursday Aug 15, 2019
Thursday Aug 15, 2019
On this episode, join Bruce and Josie for an interview with Dr. Carolyn Bourdeaux from Georgia State University. Dr. Bourdeaux talks about her experience teaching and training a new generation of public servants, the importance of engagement with the community, and making research accessible to a non-academic market. She also talks about her experience running for Congress in 2018, her plans to run for election in 2020, and the social responsibility of public administration faculty to get involved and make a difference.
Subscribe to Academics of PA today! New episodes drop every other Thursday.
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Follow the hosts on Twitter:
Bruce McDonald: @academicpiracy
William Hatcher: @ProfHat
Josie Schafer: @SchaferJosie

Thursday Jun 13, 2019
John Mikesell on Taxation, Government Coercion, and Being an Actor
Thursday Jun 13, 2019
Thursday Jun 13, 2019
Join Bruce and Josie for an interview with Dr. John Mikesell from Indiana University. Dr. Mikesell talks about the importance of teach skills to MPA students and the dictating of his book, Fiscal Administration. He also talks about the role of thinking about the importance of research questions and the underlying understanding of data that we use to address those questions.
References from the Show:
- John Mikesell (2017). Fiscal Administration.
- Aaron Wildavsky and Naomi Caiden (2003). The New Politics of the Budgetary Process.
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Bruce McDonald: @academicpiracy
William Hatcher: @ProfHat
Josie Schafer: @SchaferJosie

Thursday May 02, 2019
Stephen Kleinschmit on MPAC, JPNA, and the New Academic Class
Thursday May 02, 2019
Thursday May 02, 2019
Join Bruce and Josie for a conversation with Dr. Stephen Kleinschmit from the University of Illinois at Chicago. Dr. Kleinschmit discusses his decision to establish the Midwest Public Affairs Conference and the Journal of Public and Nonprofit Affairs and what it took to get them started. He also talks about his academic career and the decision to leave a tenure-track position for a position that fulfills his needs and what academic careers look like for the new academic class.
References from the Show:
- Midwest Public Affairs Conference: www.midwestpac.com
- Journal of Public and Nonprofit Affairs: www.jpna.org
Subscribe to Academics of PA today! New episodes drop every other Thursday.
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Follow the hosts on Twitter:
Bruce McDonald: @academicpiracy
William Hatcher: @ProfHat
Josie Schafer: @SchaferJosie

Thursday Apr 18, 2019
Camilla Stivers on the Right Answers, Paradigms, and Having an Impact
Thursday Apr 18, 2019
Thursday Apr 18, 2019
On this episode, join Bruce and Josie for an interview with Dr. Camilla Stivers from Cleveland State University. Dr. Stivers talks about her experience working with community health organizations and decision to pursue a PhD and an academic career. She also talks about the importance of asking the big questions and finding the right answers, having an impact on the field of public administration, and her decision to become a theorist.
References from the Show:
- Gibson Burrell and Gareth Morgan. (1979). Sociological Paradigms and Organizational Analysis.
- Camilla Stivers. (2000). Bureau Men, Settlement Women.
- Camilla Stivers. (2002). Gender Images in Public Administration.
- Dwight Waldo. (2006). The Administrative State.
Subscribe to Academics of PA today! New episodes drop every other Thursday.
Follow the podcast on Facebook and Twitter: @AcademicsofPA
Follow the hosts on Twitter:
Bruce McDonald: @academicpiracy
William Hatcher: @ProfHat
Josie Schafer: @SchaferJosie

Wednesday Apr 03, 2019
Rosemary O'Leary on the Creative Urge, Appreciation, and Doing Your Own Thing
Wednesday Apr 03, 2019
Wednesday Apr 03, 2019
On this episode, join Bruce and Josie for an interview with Dr. Rosemary O'Leary from the University of Kansas. Dr. O'Leary talks about her experience as a public manager and how she decided to pursue a career in public administration. She also talks about the need to appreciate other areas and methodologies of research and the importance of asking questions before committing to a project.
References from the Show:
- Rosemary O'Leary. (2019). The Ethics of Dissent: Managing Guerilla Government
Subscribe to Academics of PA today! New episodes drop every other Thursday.
Follow the podcast on Facebook and Twitter: @AcademicsofPA
Follow the hosts on Twitter:
Bruce McDonald: @academicpiracy
William Hatcher: @ProfHat
Josie Schafer: @SchaferJosie